I was planning to post a long thread, but decided it´s best to try it for myself instead of just posting dry theory, even if it is funny to speculate and find one actually abused logic and knowledge :). Maybe i will do that later in a later post in this thread, if my enthusiasm doesn´t decline.
Anyway, my question, my working hypothesis is: is the dreamy feeling a good reality-check? ( i am really challenging the concept that dreams feel like WL, although many people already swear they are completely different )
I have been thinking about this since i read an interview with a ex-DV member, Line Salvesen ( Luminous ) who claims to have cca. 1500 lucids per year because she recognizes this dreamy feeling. She has LDs since her childhood nightmares, so one must be cautious - we have not this background. I have also chatted with her, and that´s all she has to say :roll:
Personally, many times i feel this dreamy feeling but fail to go further and actually become lucid. And, in many times i do become lucid, i think there is some dreamy feeling that gets me to check my state.
I wonder if many induction techniques, like Tholey's, RCing, MILD, share a common sensitizing effect to this dreamy feeling. Wouldn't this explain to some degree why some people get very good at LDing, almost natural LDers, after "some" practice ?
For instance, in Tholey combined technique, both in the original and the modified ( by Laberge) versions, there is a step which consists in a simulation:
Tholey 's method:
1. Ask yourself, "Am I dreaming or not?" at least five to ten times
a day.
2. At the same time, try to imagine intensely that you are in a
dream, that everything you perceive, including your own body, is
merely a dream.
[...] [....]
Tholey´s method ( modified, EWOLD ):
[...] [...]
3. Imagine yourself dreaming
After having satisfied yourself that you’re awake, tell yourself, “Okay, I’m not dreaming, now. But if I
were, what would it be like?” Imagine as vividly as possible that you are dreaming. Intently imagine that
what you are perceiving (hearing, feeling, smelling, or seeing) is a dream: the people, trees, sunshine, sky
and earth, and yourself—all a dream. Observe your environment carefully for your target dreamsigns from
chapter 2. Imagine what it would be like if a dreamsign from your target category were present.
As soon as you are able to vividly experience yourself as if in a dream, tell yourself, “’The next time I’m
dreaming, I will remember to recognize that I’m dreaming.”
[...] [...]
Oh, and some more interesting quotes:
Gackenbach's Control your dreams
«Two French scientists who
worked with Tholey's technique found that even those participants
who dropped out of their study often obtained good results.»
Laberge's EWOLD:
«Practice in attaining the critical-reflective frame of mind is only necessary in the beginning phase, which may last a
number of months. Later on, lucid dreams will occur even if the subject has not asked himself the critical
question during the day. The frequency of lucid dreams then depends to a large extent on the will of the
subject. Most subjects who consistently follow the above advice experience at least one lucid dream every night.»
So, i ask, also partly influenced by some recent threads like the blink/breath RC, if this RC can become kind of automatic, second nature with practice? That would be a good thing :)
Probably i have extended my post more than i wanted..
Does this make any sense :D ? Do you think that dreamy feeling stuff is a good thing to explore directly ?
( PS: How can we achieve 1500 lucids per year, then ? :? )
Anyway, my question, my working hypothesis is: is the dreamy feeling a good reality-check? ( i am really challenging the concept that dreams feel like WL, although many people already swear they are completely different )
I have been thinking about this since i read an interview with a ex-DV member, Line Salvesen ( Luminous ) who claims to have cca. 1500 lucids per year because she recognizes this dreamy feeling. She has LDs since her childhood nightmares, so one must be cautious - we have not this background. I have also chatted with her, and that´s all she has to say :roll:
Personally, many times i feel this dreamy feeling but fail to go further and actually become lucid. And, in many times i do become lucid, i think there is some dreamy feeling that gets me to check my state.
I wonder if many induction techniques, like Tholey's, RCing, MILD, share a common sensitizing effect to this dreamy feeling. Wouldn't this explain to some degree why some people get very good at LDing, almost natural LDers, after "some" practice ?
For instance, in Tholey combined technique, both in the original and the modified ( by Laberge) versions, there is a step which consists in a simulation:
Tholey 's method:
1. Ask yourself, "Am I dreaming or not?" at least five to ten times
a day.
2. At the same time, try to imagine intensely that you are in a
dream, that everything you perceive, including your own body, is
merely a dream.
[...] [....]
Tholey´s method ( modified, EWOLD ):
[...] [...]
3. Imagine yourself dreaming
After having satisfied yourself that you’re awake, tell yourself, “Okay, I’m not dreaming, now. But if I
were, what would it be like?” Imagine as vividly as possible that you are dreaming. Intently imagine that
what you are perceiving (hearing, feeling, smelling, or seeing) is a dream: the people, trees, sunshine, sky
and earth, and yourself—all a dream. Observe your environment carefully for your target dreamsigns from
chapter 2. Imagine what it would be like if a dreamsign from your target category were present.
As soon as you are able to vividly experience yourself as if in a dream, tell yourself, “’The next time I’m
dreaming, I will remember to recognize that I’m dreaming.”
[...] [...]
Oh, and some more interesting quotes:
Gackenbach's Control your dreams
«Two French scientists who
worked with Tholey's technique found that even those participants
who dropped out of their study often obtained good results.»
Laberge's EWOLD:
«Practice in attaining the critical-reflective frame of mind is only necessary in the beginning phase, which may last a
number of months. Later on, lucid dreams will occur even if the subject has not asked himself the critical
question during the day. The frequency of lucid dreams then depends to a large extent on the will of the
subject. Most subjects who consistently follow the above advice experience at least one lucid dream every night.»
So, i ask, also partly influenced by some recent threads like the blink/breath RC, if this RC can become kind of automatic, second nature with practice? That would be a good thing :)
Probably i have extended my post more than i wanted..
Does this make any sense :D ? Do you think that dreamy feeling stuff is a good thing to explore directly ?
( PS: How can we achieve 1500 lucids per year, then ? :? )
via Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - Attaining Lucidity http://www.dreamviews.com/showthread.php?t=148699&goto=newpost
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